Join us on a captivating exploration of the mystic realms of dreaming consciousness with spiritual explorer and author Jacob Nelson. Dive into twenty+ years of dreaming, awakening, and profound discoveries shared by Jacob as he discusses the bridge between dreams and consciousness.

In this episode, Jacob unveils the layers of consciousness and how they transcend the dream state, offering a compelling perspective on the interconnectedness of our dreams with our awakened reality. Here are three enlightening takeaways from our discussion:

🔹 Embrace the Altered States: Delve into the revelatory idea that dreams are merely altered states of consciousness. Discover how these states serve as an avenue for your higher self to explore the vast mental and physical realms beyond our waking life.

🔹 The Middle Way Awakening: Journey with Jacob through his transformative path from analytical skepticism to a balanced understanding of the interplay between the rational and the intuitive mind, discovering the harmony within the polarities of existence.

🔹 Personal Mystical Insights: Be inspired by how Jacob’s vivid dreams guided him to insights about consciousness, offering profound truths about reality’s fluid and solid states. His experiences remind us of the limitless potential and divine love that exist at the core of our being.

Uncover the intricacies of the dream world and let Jacob’s journey inspire you to explore your consciousness and embrace the infinite possibilities within. This episode promises to transform your understanding of dreams and reality, urging you to re-evaluate the depths of your own inner world.

Explore this intriguing dialogue with Jacob Nelson and tap into the mysteries of your consciousness. This is more than just a conversation; it’s an invitation to awaken to your true self.

Visit Jacob at https://ultradeep.blue/

 

Transcript

Jacob Nelson:
Dreams are just altered states of consciousness. And when you, when you fall asleep, the aspect or fractal piece of your higher self, it can incarnate into physical realms and mental realms.

 

Announcer:  Welcome to Exploring the Mystical Side of Life with your host, Linda Lang.

 

Linda Lang:
Hi. This is Linda Lang from www.ThoughtChange.com. We are Exploring the Mystical Side of Life once again this week. If you enjoy our conversations, remember to subscribe, share with a friend. Remember to like and comment; it really helps this channel. We have a wonderful conversation today. We have fellow spiritual explorer, Jacob Nelson, with us.  Welcome, Jacob.

 

Jacob Nelson:
Thank you for that introduction. Yes. I’m just another soul out there sharing, you know, the the information and secrets, truths, whatever you want to call it from the higher states of consciousness.

 

Linda Lang:
Another spiritual explorer, but with a pretty fascinating book, I’d say. Oh, thank you. Dialogue in Dreams and the Spectrum of Consciousness. Pretty interesting dreams you have.

 

Jacob Nelson:
Oh, absolutely. You know, this book here, I have it right here. This is, was twenty years in the making, and I’m working on a second book, but, you know, it was my entire journey of awakening, the initial awakening. Right? We’re all going through the continuous awakening and spiritual growth and evolution. But it was from the point where I was moving from my rational, you know, left brain to operating mind, trying to dissect and analyze everything to, you know, seeing things for how they are. Right? That zen mindset, where you’re seeing things for the first time, being open to something. You know? Tapping into the feeling. Right? Feeling is infinite. Right?

You cannot quantify the feeling of touching water. Right? You know? I’m not trying to dissect it. I was just trying to absorb it. So in the book, I, you know, I moved from… so, like, moved from the left brain all the way to the right brain, and then all the way back to the middle to where I found out there was a middle way. Right? We’ve heard that before in many different teachings, the middle way, and it’s to see how we can balance both because reality is everything. You are everything. And understanding the polarities. So you first think, see things as polarity, and then you go, wait a minute.

There’s also that higher perspective of all views. Oh, right. So there’s that nondual aspect as well. So I went on a a twenty year deep dive into my inner self, inner engineering to just simply explore what I was experiencing. And it was just so magnificent, I had to share it with the world, and so that’s where I am today. You know, I’ve just been recently cracked open.

The big crack, you know, I mean, had these small chips over the years, but the vision’s got so intense to where, you know first, you have these dreams. Right? There are things that are morphing and so forth, but it moved from morphing to more stability. It was like things were hardening. And I also didn’t understand what that was until later on as well, but it was like all of a sudden, at the very end, I was in places to where I was like, “Wait. Am I awake?” Like, “Wait, so which is the real reality?” Because when I wake up, it’s the same place or at least it’s the same stability. The information states, you know, are just as hard, and they’re not shifting. So that was when I was starting to really get these big, these long in-depth dialogues, which I called dream characters in the beginning, and I was even questioning them.

I would say, you know, what are you? Are you, like, are you a dream character? What are dream characters? And I would get all these different answers back depending on, you you know, in a sense, their shell. I didn’t even know they were shells, but, you know, they were filtering things, how we’re shells, and we filter with, you know, our brain, the consciousness that’s in it in the shell. And some would say, you know, something as simple as, “Oh, I think it’s in the Bible. I’ll look that up.” Or some said, “Oh, it’s the government is probably controlling this.” And and then, you know, others I would meet seem to be, you know, much more divine. And and it was interesting because they don’t respond right away. It’s like as if they already know what you’re seeking and looking for.

They just kinda listen to you, and look on and nod their head and say, “Come, come walk,” you know. You know, kind of like a parent, you know. And then it’s like, “I know child, I know what you’re looking for. Let me just kind of ease you into this and kinda show you a few things”, maybe through metaphor and kind of use some simple answers. And then it’s usually just it’s quite simple how they say it, but it’s it’s simple, but there’s a lot to unpack. And it’s not until you you wake up that you go, “Oh, yeah. I gotta unpack that for a while.

That’s deep.” So, yeah, twenty years of of delving into my inner self and pulling out information from the within, and I’d acted as a conduit. I was just a a secretary on an elephant, which I’ve heard before. I think it’s really well said. Right? The elephant is this greater ocean of consciousness, and we are the secretary shell, at least I was, which I was a conduit, just writing down what I experienced from the elephant. The hard part is, you know, we have to realize, get our ego out of the way. You know, ego has its place. It does.

But it shouldn’t control your life. It shouldn’t, the information you get from the elephant, it shouldn’t say, “Okay. Now that I got it, it’s mine. I wrote it down, therefore, I take all the credit from everything I experienced. It’s now mine. I am now godlike. Look at me. I’m so smart.” It’s like, uh-oh. Careful. Yeah. We maybe, we gave you it to the information to you too fast. You can’t be responsible with and realize it was given to you. It was granted to you to share, not to claim.

 

Linda Lang:
So, Jacob, let’s be really clear here. The wisdom that’s come through you or that you became aware of came to you through the dream world. Right?

 

Jacob Nelson:
Absolutely. And this is something I’ve been trying to clarify. I’m trying to create a renaissance of dreams to help people understand that everything is consciousness. There’s nothing but consciousness. So the dream, so called dream world, which is, you know… there’s two of the hardest things, you know, and you’d say in science today or two of the hardest problems are dreams and consciousness. No wonder that because they’re related because they are basically the same thing. Dreams are just altered states of consciousness. And when you fall asleep, you’re, the aspect or fractal piece of your higher self, you know, as we know, like, you know, here’s your soul, and it’s going into, it’s incarnating into another realm.

It can incarnate into physical realms and mental realms. I think many people have noticed that Terrence Howard started to come out and started to kind of share some of his knowledge of things, sharing the Flower Life. And he has some really good information. There’s one thing I want to add on to what he received, but I have the knowledge to kind of share what that actually is that he pulled out. And that, though I think he pulled out between, he says, you know, these these spheres are overlapping when you put you put it into a three day space. But the gaps between the spheres is a void, and that void, that shape, that void between the spheres is the mental realm, and the energy discharge between the spheres fluctuates. You know, the closer you are to a sphere, it’d be more stable. And if you’re in a different part in the void between a sphere or many spheres, it’s goiing to be more or less unstable.

So that’s when you have more of the morphing dreams. So depending on where you are between the energy fluctuations between the spheres, your dreams will be more stable or or unstable. And, basically, it’s… it’s everything is light. Consciousness is is light. You know, you’re a photon of light, and it can be in different information states. It can be, in a sense, liquid or frozen, right? And all states in between. So there’s that spectrum of consciousness that these the densities, the phases, you know, like this liquid and solid light.

 

Linda Lang:
And in more than one place.

 

Jacob Nelson:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So dreams are just these different states. Some people have a hard time distinguishing between what is a dream and what is an out of body of experience. You could say, oh, it’s a dream, but maybe that was more of an out of body experience. Or maybe you’re, you know, you’re you’re tapping into some kind of records of some sort. You know? The information field records, you know, the Akashic Records, we may call it.

So you’re you’re you’re just tapping into different states in these different, you could say, realms, but, yeah, different states of consciousness, different densities. So you could fall asleep and maybe go, “Oh, yeah. It was like a dream, but I was kind of observing what looked like a physical world, but I wasn’t in it.” Oh, yeah. Maybe you were you were detached from a shell, but you were kind of observing some other world or a different timeline. And other times, you go, “Well, no. I was definitely in the world. I was there, but it was, it was morphing a lot or wasn’t morphing a lot.”

So depends on if you’re identifying with a shell in a different place or you’re detached from a shell and exploring something. So it depends. But I say everything is, everything is… they’re all just dreams. This is, this is a dream. If you’re within creation, you’re in dreamland of some sort. And I was actually shown what reality looks like from the void. So the void is like a eternal pregnant mother. And the baby inside, you can say baby boy, if you want to go with that.

It’s a beautiful sort of concept of the mother and child. And this boy, you know, likes to go off on these adventures in his backyard. And the mother’s in the kitchen, and she’s just looking out her her her window in the backyard at her little boy, you know, who’s five or six years old playing with a foam sword out there. And and he thinks he’s off on a, you know, a majestic adventure, and he’s, and he’s having these great explorations into, you know, these dark depths of the forest, or he’s closer to the house, or he’s in more of this divine presence to where he’s just, you know, talking with friends and his uncles and aunts. And and the farther away he is from the house, he’s off into the wilderness, and he’s scared, but she knows, oh, he’s just out in the woods. He’ll be back. And when he comes back, you know, he’ll want to share what he found. And she has this unconditional love and just says, “Oh, yeah.

Come in. I’ll feed you, and and you, you can share with me what you learned.” And the the moment that this boy shares, she simultaneously learns herself and also has answers for it. Because it’s like the mother is this unconscious, unconditional part of reality, whereas a boy is this self aware, self reflective being, which is the the looping of the torus where it’s looping in on itself. And so the void is sort of abides by a sort of fluid dynamics of some sort. So I don’t want to say it’s all fluid dynamics, but I want to say there’s some sort of, like, a spectrum of the fluid within the void as well because it’s like infinite potentiality, infinite possibility, but it, it’s all possible information states. It’s everything that has happened, ever will happen. It’s all been done there, and in this ocean of consciousness, this void.

And it is like a liquid. That’s why you say the ocean of consciousness. And when a piece of the ocean, which is, you know, just observing this unconscious observation of awareness, just, just being aware, just being present, and it’s observing this void, this creation. When it has an intention of some sort, it’ll get pulled into the vortex. We call it the vortex, and it actually it is. There’s two vortices that come together. You call you call polarities, male and female, that come together, and they spiral in, and when they hit in this fluid, in the center, there’s a big splash, and inside of it creates a torus. And, apparently, that’s actually what happens according to fluid dynamics when you have these two vortices that that clash.

It creates a torus, and in the center is this nth dimensional toroidal sphere. It’s nth dimensional. And so when I was looking at it, I was looking at it from a certain dimensional space, but I was unable to perceive all the possible dimensions. There’s just too much. I was only perceiving what I could perceive, but I could tell that there was more layers within layers of this onion of a torus. Who knows how many dimensions are happening right now? You know, that boy is creating all of these dreams because it becomes self aware. As we know, where attention goes, energy flows. Where intention goes, energy grows.

And so, if you’re aware that you have some sort of curiosity, now you’re building intention. Right? So your attention well, first of all, your attention, the energy, went there just to focus on something, attending to a certain thing within this creation. And then if you have an interest, that intention can get you pulled in, and that’s what’s called being birthed from the void, and you get pulled right into the vortex. And once you’re in the vortex, the first thing, usually higher vibrational beings, you know, wiser beings, “Oh, somebody popped in. Somebody came in,” and they’ll greet you. And they’ll usually say, “Well, oh, you’re here.” And they’ll kind of welcome you and, talk about what was your interest when you first came here. You know? And then based off your interest, they’ll kind of send you off… well, if you want to.

You know, the thing is you don’t have to go anywhere. You don’t even have to be birthed. That was up to you. You had an interest, and you’re just curious, and you kind of went in there, but you don’t have to play in the backyard. You saw something from the window in the kitchen. You go, that was interesting. What was that boy doing? And then the mother has a intention of some sort, and all of a sudden, she splits herself.

And another little boy pops out from the kitchen and walks to the backyard and starts kind of playing out there. It’s another reflection of itself. And, and now you have a couple boys back there playing. There’s more reflections playing with each other, but it’s all still the same boy just in different perspectives of the boy.

 

Linda Lang:
I have a couple of questions for you, Jacob, because it’s fascinating to me. You had this really rich, vivid dream life…

 

Jacob Nelson:
Yeah.

 

Linda Lang:
That helped you to unravel consciousness, I’ll say. Yes. Let’s talk a little bit about lucid dreaming and how you interpreted the dreams.

 

Jacob Nelson:
Yeah. Lucid dreaming, as many know, being aware that you’re dreaming within a dream, which is it’s tied and there’s so many layers to lucid dreaming and how it’s related to self awakening and also reality itself. Because being aware that you’re in a dream is very similar to the mother popping into creation and splitting herself and becoming the boy and experiencing that. Because as soon as she has an attention and goes from the void into that… the vortex and gets sucked into that torus into creation, she becomes self aware because that was the intention. There’s that loop now. Like, “Oh, I was that, and now I’m this,” and there’s this kind of looping back and forth of realizing what’s happening and who I fully am. Because when you’re just the void, it’s sort of everything. But to experience the finite is to experience the other side of infinity.

And so lucid dreaming is sort of the same thing. It’s like when you’re not lucid, it’s like you’re aware that things are happening, but it’s not until you become lucid that you go, “Oh, okay. Now I’m kind of I’m fully feeling all possibilities and one perspective, one look at it.” It’s like you’re you’re seeing all the dream and all all the information is being absorbed within you and the things are moving around. All the activity is there and you’re all the activity. And then as soon as you kinda go, oh, I’m dreaming, it’s like things collapse and now things are more frozen and and you get a hardened perspective. And you start to go, “Oh, I’m self aware. Oh, that’s right.

I was dreaming, but now I’m not. But wait a minute. So what was I before?” And you start to see that Mobius strip, that strange loop start to really move into high gear and you go, “I think I’m starting to get it” because you you have to see all sides. You know? Infinity cannot know itself until it becomes the finite even if it’s an illusion because there can actually be no real thing as finite because everything’s infinite. So we have to create a really strong illusions of the finite called these these dreams. And they get pretty, they get pretty real as we know. Like, this seems pretty real, you know. We come in here, we think, “Oh, yeah. This is hard. You know, there’s no way that I’m dreaming.” But this is, this is pretty down deep into the dream. You know? Everything about inception, it’s like you went many layers into the inception. You know? You’re so far deep; you’re like, “This is real.” Like, no. You just went really you have many layers deep into the dream.

 

Linda Lang:
So what would you say to people who don’t remember their dreams? They’re dreaming, they just don’t remember.

 

Jacob Nelson:
I get that a lot. And there is a reason, and more and more people are going to have richer and richer dreams. So first of all, everybody’s dreaming. Everybody dreams. And dreams basically adventures of consciousness. So these are shells, and your fractal, your aspect of your soul, of your higher self is in here. And it’s like this is a classroom. And, you know, you can’t stay in class all day.

You need to go home and have a break. So when you go to sleep, your soul says, okay. Class is over. Let me go have fun. Let me go to some of my favorite realms, some of my favorite places. Go meet these other friends. And it’s happening all the time. The reason why you’re not aware that it’s happening, which I’ve always been sort of aware, like, I’m always aware of where I go when I sleep, where my soul is, basically, my after school curriculum.

I’m aware of my extra activities. And depending on your frequency and your vibration… so I say it like this… So most people come in at sort of a ground level, and depending on how many incarnations you’re having… it’s all parallel that you’re deciding to to have. You know? The more information, the more wisdom you bring back, the more you’re granted to to get a higher vibrational shell because you’ve learned more. Now you’re, “Okay. You can take the next class. You’ve learned that lesson.

You can take another lesson.” And it’s accumulative. And since the more lessons you learned, you go, “Okay. You can have that shell and you can have it. We’ll give you a little bit more energy in that shell this time. And the more energy you have in your shell, it’ll keep rising to the point to where there’s a smaller gap between your higher self and the shell. And so that distance, the vibrational densities between them have shrunk to a point to where instead of being from here and you and you sleep and your spirit and your and your fractals going up all these densities from this deep water back up to these other higher realms, when it comes back down to pull the information out, it starts to lose everything because it has to travel all the way back down. It’s like, you know, you can’t bring all the treasures from above down to the deepest depths of the ocean. You’re like, “Oh, can’t hold that gold.

I can’t hold this. Okay. I’m taking up all my gear because it didn’t even survive to get back down, so I lose it all.” But if you don’t have to, but if you’re not living at the bottom of the ocean, you live closer to the surface, yeah, you can bring more of your stuff down because you’re not going that far down. You can keep some of the gold, some of the treasures, some of your experiences. So your vibration doesn’t have to travel as far down.

 

Linda Lang:
Are you implying that someone who doesn’t dream has lower consciousness?

 

Jacob Nelson:
I don’t want to label you as, Ah, your low vibration.” It’s not like that. The thing is every thought we have, everything we do, every interaction, reality will fluctuate our vibration. Right? Our frequency will change at all, at all times. Whatever we eat, whatever we drink, whatever we do will constantly shift it. So, yeah, maybe some days, you could say you’re at a lower vibration than you were the day before, but it doesn’t mean you can’t raise it up 10 times over the next week. You know?

So it is important to be consistent as much as you can because you don’t want to get trapped to where you have to do more homework. Basically, you don’t want to get so far behind on your homework, you have to put in more work. So, so I do say, yeah, do you have to be perfect now? Because it’s not about being perfect. It’s about more than anything, it’s about learning lessons. That means not being perfect. And so if you’re struggling, it’s probably because you need to do it because you’re not, you’re not here to be perfect because the more more perfected states that we call perfection is are the places that we came from, infinity. And we came here to experience not perfection, not everything. And so it’s okay if you’re, you go, “Okay.

I kind of today, I want to eat this. I know it’s not the best thing, but I kind of want to have, like, four pieces of cheesecake. I feel like I earned it.” You know? It’s it’s okay, go for it. It’s okay. It’s not, you know, it’s not the end of the world. It’s not like it’s going to permanently change your vibration.

Yeah. That night, you’ll probably, depending on when you eat it too, if you eat it too much sugar before you go to sleep, not the greatest thing. Right? And too many things before you sleep, not the greatest thing because that will definitely lower your vibration and definitely you’re not going to be dreaming. Or if you do, it’s not gonna be very good dreams because your energy will be attached, too attached, to the shell. And it’s almost like the things that’s in your body… so you just ate, you just drank something. So all the energy is being it’s being split.

It’s like the body’s trying to process it, so it’s all going to your stomach. So if you don’t eat anything and you’re just, like, fasting, it’s like the energy can just pull right out of your body, and it’s clean. And since it’s pulled more out, you’re not as attached to it, and you can have these cleaner, nicer dreams. But if you’re too attached, it’s like it still has these fragments that are kind of stuck. And because it’s stuck, you think of it like a string, these like, sticky strings. So you have these fluctuations between good dreams and also the string going to the lower densities, lower astrals where your energy is also there going through these densities to where you encounter the dark stuff too. Right? So that’s why you encounter, you’ve kind of stretched out between. You didn’t fully pull out.

So that’s why you have experiences, you know, dark beings and negative dreams, entities, and whatnot. But, yeah, you’re always, you’re definitely always dreaming, and you can pull it. The higher vibrationally you are, you can pull them, you can pull them back down. In numerology, I’m a 38/11, so I came in with a just a little bit higher vibration. Doesn’t mean that I can’t go back to zero. It just means, you know, be responsible with the extra kick you got. It just means more homework. Nobody’s superior.

There’s some people come with extra homework. Also, in order to accomplish the extra homework, they say you’re going to need a little bit of extra energy to kind of get that extra homework done, which but also allows me to, you know, be at a high vibration. You know? Naturally, if I’m good and don’t abuse my temple, then I can just pull all those treasures back because I’m closer to the surface.

 

Linda Lang:
Let’s talk about that for a moment. Abuse of the temple. What it does your temple have to do with your level of consciousness and being able to access the understandings?

 

Jacob Nelson:
Yeah. Yeah. The temple, right, is our shell, our body, and this is, this is the impermanent piece of reality. Right? This is the perspective lens. Right? Well, for us, it’s the the physical world, and we are we are granted a beautiful little shell. We we may not like our shells, but we chose our shells for reasons we don’t always know until later. And there’s not very many of them. Right? There’s an infinite amount of, an infinite queue of souls that want to get into Earth, and they can’t because there’s only about 9 billion shells.

So if you got one, be thankful. Be grateful because there’s a lot more than 9 billion souls. And so these temples, you know, there’s only 9 billion of them; you got one of them. You got to be grateful for that temple. And that temple is what houses that fractal, that piece of your soul, to kind of experience. Right? It’s where the infinite gets dropped into the the finite game, the finite perspective to say, “Oh, so this is what it’s like to be attached to a particular perspective.” Right? And that’s what we are.

We are attaching to a perspective of something because you want to experience the finite. A piece of the infinite, not all the infinite, but a piece of it, to become a piece of it. And so in order to fully learn our lessons, you have to make sure your temple’s clean. Right? If you don’t clean your temple, make sure it’s taken care of, you’re going to probably, you know, mess up that temple. The temple’s… you can ruin it, then you’re going to have to talk to your guides again after you die. “When do you want to go back? Do you want to go back?” You could ruin that temple. “Tell me what went wrong. You know? I’m not judging you, but walk us through it.” You know, and maybe you can maybe you can, you know, get another temple.

But definitely, you know, it’s a learning experience because not everybody wants to stay in their shell. Right? And they go, it’s hard, the lessons are hard. Screw my temple. I’m out. I’ll just abuse my temple. And some people are aware. You could even be very spiritually aware of everything and still go, “Wait a minute. I know everything.

I’m going to abuse it.” And that’s when you get beings or spiritual masters that exist in this world that are very high vibration, but they twist things for their own benefit. So their vibration is, it’s like a twisted vibration. So they’re abusing their power. They could be very, very wise, but they’re abusing their wisdom. And you could say they’re part of the dark entities that want to control. But we all know that the more you abuse your temple, the more you’re doing that, the more that you are basically saying, “I want to just drop out of school.” It’s the same thing as saying, “I’m going to go to school and I’m going to play hooky, you know, half the day.”

You know? Or “I’m not going to go to class. I’m going to goof off in class.” That’s like you’re abusing your temple in the classroom. You’re just, you’re not doing what you came here to do. And if you don’t, it’s okay because there’s there’s no judging. It’s all unconditional love. But if you want to evolve, then, yeah, you’re going to have to take care of your temple if you want to stay in that temple as long as you can. I mean, your death date is determined as well, but if you want to get to the the planned death date, then you’re going to need to take care of your temple.

 

Linda Lang:
So let’s go back to dream interpretation for a minute because you had these really amazing dreams. Did you have to actually, like, sit and interpret them? Did you just know what they meant? Were they literal when you had them?

 

Jacob Nelson:
Yeah. That that was the journey of the book. I moved from a linear, rational, materialistic, productionist perspective on the world, which I just called the world, I didn’t call it reality. I just call it, you know, just earth, of the world. I guess it applies to the universe too. But for me, I was more like, you know, I’m only have experience with the world, but I was just, just very analytical. I wanted to dissect.

And as we know that science likes to break things apart to look inside. So that’s what I was doing. I was doing my Master’s of Science, and I was, I was just, “Oh, okay. I’m so smart. I can, I can do this? I can figure it out.” So I’m in my dream, and and I would say, “Okay. Maybe it’s this. Maybe it’s that.”

“Oh, yeah. I think, I think I heard somebody talk about that in some paper that that maybe it’s quantum something. Maybe it’s doing something like that, and I don’t really know.” But I was just trying to dissect it from the the using the left brain, and that didn’t really work. I had to, I had to kind of step back because just like how in science, like, it’s like the more they look into it, they just find more information, which just gives them more questions. And they’re just like, “I found another piece.” Okay. Break it open.

“I found another piece. Like, will this ever end?” You know? I just keep finding more and more. And I go in there, and I keep finding more questions, and it keeps getting more complex. And now I’m really lost because there’s just more information now, and I have more questions. I’m getting very little answers. And so I had to say, well, maybe it’s not the right way to look at it. And I had to take a Zen approach. And I had to get into a sort of a Zen way of looking at what I was experiencing, which means looking at it for the first time, looking at it without judging, to experience it, to feel it, not to think about it.

Because I was using the ego to to think about it. And I was leaving the heart out. I was leaving feeling out of there. It was very dry approach. And then I go, okay. Let me just feel it and not think. Let me just feel what’s happening. And I was like, the floodgates open. I was getting all this information.

The experiences are getting much richer. It was like I took off the negative belief. I took off something that was blocking me just because the science was saying, oh, it could not be this. There’s no way. It says it’s probably this because I read that somewhere. And so I had all these blocks. But once I unblocked everything and opened to all possibilities, that’s when I was getting flooded with parallel incarnations, parallel selves, really rich and deep stuff. It was like I was going into other realms.

It was like everything exploded. But, also, once I exploded, it went towards the feeling, and I got lost into the feeling. Before, I was, like, explaining the fractal nature of things and talking about the mathematics and how how it works. And then I was like move towards the middle of, like, I was like, okay, now I’m, like, basically doing the opposite. I’m, like, going into feeling and I was going into the womb, that the mother and just experiencing everything, all of reality and forgetting about the boy and forgetting about his perspectives, his, you know, way of looking at a particular thing and how he’s going through it. And then at the very end, I realized, “Oh, it’s both.” Right? It’s like, it’s about being able to kind of work with both that being everything and one thing and multiple things.

And that was, that was the beauty of it is being able to work with the dual / nondual nature through dreams.

 

Linda Lang:
How did you function when you had these dreams?

 

Jacob Nelson:
Not easy at all. I always felt like an alien, an outsider, never felt human. I was just always just the oddball. But at the same time, I also felt like I feel like I know something or I was here to do something big, and I don’t know what it is. I also feel like I I just know something there’s something happening that’s very important, very sacred. That’s why I started writing it. You know, I wasn’t even spiritual at the start. I was just exploring because I thought it’s like a scientific curiosity.

Just I thought I was exploring my own mind. I was like, oh, this is cool. Kind of doing some kind of experiment on my mind. And I was just exploring and having fun with it. I wasn’t expecting anything. You know? I wasn’t spiritual. I was just exploring. And, but these these explorations, even though scientific and not spiritual, were also making me, I guess, thought of as strange in the scientific community.

I talked to people that are definitely left brain thinkers and, like, that’s pretty fringe. Like because it’s not scientific enough. It’s not accepted enough within the community. So that sounds a little bit woo woo. Even though it’s not really spiritual, it sounds a little bit like, I don’t know what you’re doing. Like, somebody once told me, he said, “Oh, yeah. You’re doing, like, phenomenology,” which is basically looking within your your mind and, like, doing experiments within your own mind, things like that of consciousness. And phenomenology’s considered like fringe woo woo science because it’s all subjective so you can’t, you know, really test it.

So, I was considered woo woo from the left and then when I went towards the right, then I was started to talk about all these deep truths even on the right, I was too far right. And the people are saying, you’re talking about, you know, these really crazy, like, right brain things talking about, like, these vortexes, and the void, and talking about realizations that gravity is the vibration of thought and time is the frequency of thought. And they’re like, “Okay, now you’re just really out there. Like, I don’t know.” Wherever I went, I was always too far in one direction. So I never felt that anybody understood me, but I didn’t let it get to me because I knew it had to be shared with the world because I just thought it was just so fascinating.

I just wrote them down. I didn’t have any intention of what it was. I just just kept writing every experience down. I had thousands of them. I compressed them down to, like, a few hundred that are in the book, but they’re really key ones. And I just thought, you know, regardless what anybody says, I need to be me. I need to share this information. I know at some point, people will start to see that there’s things in here that that are resonating.

You know? So I think it’s just a matter of time, and, you know, I got to wake up a little bit earlier before everybody else in the house, just a few minutes earlier so that I could clean the house a bit and get things prepared, get breakfast ready, to wake everybody else up. That’s it.

 

Linda Lang:
Fascinating journey that you’ve had for sure, Jacob. If there was one thing you wanted to share with the listeners, what would it be?

 

Jacob Nelson:
There’s nothing to worry about. You’re an eternal divine being, a soul. There’s nothing to worry about. This is not the end. There really is no end. Yeah. Shells have ends. Yeah.

Your temple doesn’t last forever. But you, the being within the temple, you just walk out of that temple when the temple’s falling apart. When the temple collapses, you just you just walk out. And then you can go back at another temple if you want, but it’s not the end. They’re just different stages and phases, different lessons. And, also, you don’t remember, you know, you don’t have to go to school. Right? This the creation, these are all yes. They are schools because infinity wants to understand what it’s not, which is the finite.

In order for it to do it, it has to be a perspective of itself and bring back that wisdom of what it was like to be a perspective and bring it back so that unconditional love truly understands the fullness, the wholeness of what that is. Right? In order for wholeness to understand what it is, it has to become separated. And so it’s bringing back that information. That’s all it is. But you don’t have to take part in that. You don’t have to go to school. When you leave your temple and you go back, you know, they may say, do you want to go back? They’ll never pressure you. It’s up to you.

But usually, we want to go back because you realize, “Oh, yeah. That was just a class. Maybe I want to take another class.” You know? But it’s all up to you. There’s no reason you have to. It’s all because there’s something in you, that desire within your soul, that feels that this would be good for me. It’s it’s a desire that, “Oh, yeah. This feels good to grow and to be a part of something great,” but you don’t have to do it.

And it’s okay. You’re not judged. You’re not judged by anybody or anything. So in any case, there’s nothing to worry about. Even this, you know, don’t judge this because it’s okay if you fail. You can try infinite times. It’s not a big deal. But, also, the last thing is you came at, what a beautiful time to to be here.

I would say this is the time. If you ever wanted to make sure your temple is clean, now is the time because we get to be part of something that is just so magnificent. This is like I mean, what a brilliant time. We’re at the, just that moment of where things, not just we’re going through awakening, but that all of humanity is going through that awakening, and we’re all getting cracked open, and it’s all changing. And this year, the next few years, it’s going to be, break wide open. By 2030, between now and 2030, it’s going to be a whole new world. And you could be a part of that. So if you want to be a part of it, you know, take care of your temple. You know, stay true to yourself, look within yourself.

Don’t believe what anybody else says. You know, you could think about it and let it inspire you to look within yourself. Because the only way you’re truly going to know is if you look within yourself and and get the truth from within because the kingdom was within. Right? The answers are within. So go within yourself and surrender to what you are, which is a divine love.

 

Linda Lang:
Absolutely. Fascinating look behind the curtain, Jacob. If people want to know more, where can we send them?

 

Jacob Nelson:
Yeah. You can go to www.ultradeep.blue. Again, that’s www.ultradeep.blue. That’s my website. It has access to all my socials and my book and services. I’m pretty active on Instagram, which is also at ultradeep.blue. You can also find me on YouTube at ultradeepblue.

 

Linda Lang:
Wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you for being my guest. Thank you, Linda. Appreciate it. And thank you for listening to this week’s edition of Exploring the Mystical Side of Life. You will find all of our conversations on YouTube, your favorite podcast platform. Come visit me at www.ThoughtChange.com.  Do a little inner exploration because you’re the most important thing in your life. That’s it for this week. We’ll see you again next time. Bye for now.