Unlock the secret language of your internal guidance system to instantly know which thoughts are true, and make choices aligned with your highest self.  Your IGS can lead you to a life of peace, clarity, and authentic power.

Internal guidance system expert Zen Cryar DeBrucke joins us to inspire us to awaken the powerful, innate guidance that resides within every one of us—a sacred compass that leads us to peace, clarity, and better choices, no matter what life throws our way.

In this thought-provoking conversation, Zen shares her profound journey and the revolutionary practice of tuning into your body’s intuitive signals.

Here’s what you’ll discover:

🔹 Learn the Language of Your Body: Discover how sensations like tightness in your throat, chest, or solar plexus are your body’s way of telling you that a thought is untrue or out of alignment. These signals—often mislabeled as anxiety or fear—are actually your internal guidance system (IGS) steering you back to truth and ease.

🔹 Transform Struggle Into Flow: Zen Cryar DeBrucke reveals how releasing closing thoughts and finding those that open you can dissolve anxiety, guilt, and worry on the spot.
She offers practical exercises to help you shift into states of lightness, peace, and joyful alignment—enabling you to respond authentically and powerfully to any situation.

🔹 Make Inspired Choices for Yourself and the World: Whether navigating relationships, finances, or global uncertainties, your IGS acts as a personal compass, pointing you towards the most aligned and expansive path. As you heal your own patterns of fear, you naturally become a beacon for positive change in the collective.

Join us for this inspiring episode and let Zen Cryar DeBrucke guide you to a fear-free, love-filled life—one opening thought at a time!

Transcript:

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Whenever you feel a lump in your throat, a tightness in your chest, or a sick feeling in the solar plex area, when you feel that, it means that what you’re thinking is not true or not going to happen. Guilt is always closing. It always creates a tight sensation. It’s never true. Remorse is always opening. I think we can evolve as a species completely out of mental fear.

Announcer: Welcome to Exploring the Mystical side of Life with your host, Linda Lang.

Linda Lang:
Hi, this is Linda Lang from ThoughtChange.com we are Exploring the Mystical Side of Life once again this week. If you enjoy our conversations, remember to subscribe. Share with a friend. Today we’re talking about a body signal that tells you when a thought isn’t true. I have internal guidance system expert Zen Cryar DeBrucke with me. Welcome back, Zen.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Thanks for having me back. I always love being on with you.

Linda Lang:
I just feel that what you teach is so important. I knew it in my bones when you first came on. And the way the world is today, it’s even more important. So why don’t we start at the beginning? What is our internal guidance system?

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
So basically what it is is whenever you feel a lump in your throat, a tightness in your chest, or a sick feeling in the solar plex area right in the upper stom when you feel that, it means that what you’re thinking is not true or not going to happen. It’s a guidance system that you’re born with. Now the reason why this is important is because what we call these sensations in our lives is anxiety, worry, fear. It’s when you’re overwhelmed. You feel the tightness in the center of the body. Frustrated, irritated, impatient. When you’re procrastinating, you think about that stuff you’re not getting done, the tightness comes and all of that is when you feel that tightness. It means that what you’re thinking is not true or not going to happen.

We pick up what we think about the world around us when we’re a child. And it doesn’t relate when we’re an adult. But the cool thing is, is that we have this internal guidance system. We call it IGS for short. And what I do is I teach people when they feel the tightness, how to change the thought that is not true or the situation their mind is putting out there into the future that’s not going to happen. How do you find the thought that is true? And when you do, it instantly releases. The anxiety goes away, the fear goes away. The worry, the frustration, the irritation with your spouse, all of that gets released, and what comes back in is peace and joy. You feel comfortable in your own skin, and you can do this in any moment.

You can be in any situation, feel the tightness, work with your mind, have it release and be back in the game as your best, most powerful, authentic self in the moment. And so that’s what we do. And there’s not a time in history where we need it more. Boy, I tell you.

Linda Lang:
That’s for sure. And each and every person hardwired this way.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Everyone, every single person. I’ve taught 40, 000 people from all around the world, all walks of life, all cultures, all races, languages, all of it. We all have this going on, and it is the big problem that we’re actually facing. My goal is to get as everyone using this internal guidance system because the base of it all is fear. The real situation that we’re in is afraid that the person that’s going to never change and continue to make us miserable or our finances are never going to be enough, or, you know, that person didn’t text us back because we said something wrong yesterday, and now they’re mad at us or whatever the little thing is that is torturing us and causing us suffering. We interact with each other from this closing and in that. That’s what makes the world hard. That’s what makes people take advantage of one another.

You know, that’s what makes people feel that they have the right to hurt another person from this closing they’re feeling inside this anger, frustration. And we can be healed. We can heal ourselves with this tool that we’re born with. It’s not even a tool. What’s interesting to me is it’s a divine part of who we are as a species. And we’ve just barely begun to scratch the surface as to how to use this and what it really is.

Linda Lang:
I’d like to go into the sensation of open and close a little bit more so people really understand.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yeah, let’s do an exercise now. A lot of people are listening to podcasts on the go. You can listen to it on the go, but if the exercise doesn’t work, come back and listen and take a second to do the exercise. When we’re in a quiet space, you don’t have to be in a quiet space to use your internal guidance system. It’s with you on the go all day. But this first thing, when we get you in touch with it, you might need it to be a little quieter. And so we’ll go ahead. And I recommend in the beginning, you don’t have to close your eyes to use your IGs.

Just in the beginning, what we want to do is we want to quiet the mind. And I’m going to walk you through two sentences. And when I give you the sentences, have you focus on the center of your body to see if you feel the feeling. So just close your eyes and feel the bottom of your feet. You’ll notice that they start to tingle a little bit. Can feel like they’re getting activated or maybe there’s a little heat and then the palms of your hands. Just feel the feet and the palms of your hands. Now both.

Once again, the palms may become activated. A little bit tingly or a little warmth. And then listen to the sound of my voice. Paying attention to your feet and your hands. The first sentence, I want you to go ahead and think. Let it float through your mind like a cloud does through the sky. Don’t try to hang onto it or analyze it or think about it. Just let it float through.

Feeling your hands and feet. Here’s the sentence. I do not have an internal guidance system. I do not have an internal guidance system. Notice any sensation in the center of your body and focus on your hands and feet again. And here’s the second sentence. I do have an internal guidance system. I do have an internal guidance system. Notice any sensation. And then wiggle your toes. Open your eyes. Linda, what’d you, what’d you experience?

Linda Lang:
Really interesting, because that first phrase about “not having it” was so heavy, it, like, pulled my energy down and it actually became harder to breathe.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yes.

Linda Lang:
So it was really interesting. And then of course, the second one lifted, the energy back up, became lighter, and obviously I could breathe better. So it is very interesting. And it’s not a sensation I would label as anxiety, but I bet everybody feels things a little bit different. Like for me, it was heavy and light.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yes, it feels different with different thoughts.

Linda Lang:
So we can use this for our personal life. Things like relationships, career, finances, making good choices. Can we also use it to monitor our thoughts about what we’re thinking about the world or the big picture, the future?

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yes. In fact, it’s actually very important that we start doing this. What I’m seeing is we have people that are out there and they’re giving us information that closes us. I call the tightness closing. And when you feel the lightning or the expanded feeling, we call that an opening. And so what’s happening is the news cycle and the videos that are out there and opinions of other people that are coming at us. We get that information and it closes us, it causes the tightness, which means how we’re thinking about the situation, the problem, the political issue, whatever it is, is not true. But we don’t know that.

Most people don’t realize that. So they think that that sick, awful feeling means that this bad thing is about to happen, or these people are about to do something to hurt us, our families, our lifestyle, the environment, right? And in reacting from that closed place, nothing good comes from it. And because we’re having a premise that isn’t true from the beginning, any action you take to fix the thing in the world that you think is broken or wrong or bad won’t work because you’re starting with a false premise. I’ve had many people come and they realize that a lot of their political beliefs are closing, which means what they’re thinking about the world around them isn’t true. The people in their life isn’t true, the politics, the medical experiences isn’t true, right? And they find the openings and it centers them. And what happens is they’re able to communicate from a completely different place. And what I like to say is closing begets closing. When you’re involved in another person, two people are battling it out from their closed experiences that they’re feeling inside.

But opening begets opening. And so the people that we really love to listen to are creating thoughts that open us. They’re creating solutions in the world that open us, and that’s what we align with. So the more people that learn how to use the igs and follow their opening thinking, the more solutions that we can provide for the world around us and the greatest number of people will benefit. I’ve never had an opening experience, ever. Nobody’s ever come back to me, 40,000 plus people, nobody’s ever come back and said, “My opening hurt someone. My opening created problems in my life.” Not once, ever.

And even hard things, because it’s not about positive or negative thinking. For instance, when my brother was lost in the mountains, he died, I got an opening that I wasn’t going to see him again alive. But that feels very different than fear. There was a subtle experience to it, you know, a peace. It does feel like peace. I had breast cancer. And when I felt the lump when I was doing my breast examination, I thought, this is different, this is cancer. I opened, which gave me the courage, and I ended up having a fear free cancer experience because I was able to use my internal guidance system to find out whether I needed to do the chemo, the radiation, when to get the surgery, how to recover from it.

What supplements to take? All of it. And I’ve led many people through a fear free cancer experience because you just drop into the fear. You look at what isn’t true and then you find the opening. So even if something’s hard and with the opening, it’s doable, you’re grounded in it, it’s peaceful. So if you think about, like it being a compass, right? If you think of east and west as being neutral where you’re not feeling any sensation, you’re just in a calm, neutral, centered place. And if you go up towards north on the compass, that’s an opening and gets it more expanded. You can go from a slight opening all the way up to an ecstasy feeling or a deep passion. You’ve had an idea and you just can’t stop thinking about it and you’re open and you’re excited.

You can also have a slight closing if that compass is going towards south a little, all the way down to panic and terror. If you’re in panic and terror, the thing you’re thinking is that’s going to happen is not going to happen at all. The more terror you feel, the less you’re going to experience whatever it is you’re worried about financially, with your health, with your kids, with your spouse, whatever it is. Okay, so the reason why I broke them out into anxiety, worry, fear is because all of those experiences that I listed are closing experiences where you need to check your thinking and each one of those has something different. So I’ll give you an example. Guilt is always closing. It always creates a tight sensation. It’s never true.

And guilt, this is a HINT. Healthy, inspired new thinking is what hint stands for. And so a lot of what I teach is when you’re feeling X, what’s the hint? So when you’re feeling guilty, the hint is, where am I comparing myself to a false belief about what makes me a good or a bad person? And it’s not true for you. I’m feeling guilty about the fact that I fed my Kids Frozen Pizza 4 nights this week because I’m working so hard and I don’t have time or energy. Closed. I’m comparing myself to a mother who makes homemade bread and cooks, you know, everything. And it’s not true for me. It’s not what my family needs, it’s not what a priority is. And you’ll open right back up.

Now here’s the interesting thing. Remorse is always opening.

Linda Lang:
That is interesting.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yeah. Remorse is a place where we feel we need to make amends. We fix it. You notice in guilt, you never fix it. It just drives you ragged inside your own mind in the middle of the night. You know, guilt just rides you, and you never do anything about it because it’s not true for you. But remorse, when you have something, you’ve said, something that hurts, somebody’s feelings, or there’s something going on where you’re not spending enough time with your kid, or whatever it is that remorse, you make amends. You fix it.

And that’s the difference. So in all of our lives, irritation, frustration, even procrastination, when you’re feeling these close, there’s a hint that allows you to find your opening. And then your world aligns and writes itself. And that’s when we go into flow and flow. I call it feeling. Light, open, and wise. Flow is where we’re supposed to be living. Flow is where your life is working out.

So you fix the restriction, the closing into an opening, and then you’re back on track with what you’re here to do that day, in that moment.

Linda Lang:
It sounds so easy when you explain it like that, Zen. And yet so many people struggle with it.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Our minds are crazy. And so there’s all these thinking. And so the first part of learning to do this is clearing out as many closing thoughts that you’ve inherited as you can. And every time that you find a closing thought and it goes to an opening, you’re rewiring the neural pathways of your mind. So the old thought that causes the closing goes neurally extinct. So what happens is, in the beginning, it can feel hard because you’re hitting a lot of closings, but you’re rewiring them within a period of three to six months, depending on how much you do, the practices you’re done with. A lot of your closings, you don’t have the same suffering. Text messages not being returned don’t bother you anymore.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
A bill that comes in and you don’t know how to pay doesn’t make you freak out. The thing that your spouse does that hurts your feelings, stop hurting your feelings. Because you’ve rewired your responses. And so you’re just darn happy. And that’s when it gets easy. So in the beginning, it is a little hard, I agree. But as you work with it, you’re actually making traction. You’re changing your suffering completely.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
And you’re living in hope and love and support and appreciation and gratitude. All these things just come naturally to you. It’s actually really miraculous. We were born with something that rewires our own neural pathways towards happiness.

Linda Lang:
I think probably the trick, especially when you first get started, is to be willing to detach from that thought because we’ve already judged the thought or the action or the situation. We can have a presupposition that this is right or this is wrong. And I think you need to have a baseline detachment to get an accurate read.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
The read will be there. You need to have a baseline detachment to find the new opening thought. So my dad and I had a really, really challenging childhood experience. And every time I’d get around him, he would make me cry. He would be frustrated. We really butted heads. It was tough. And I was driving to his house for Christmas when I was about 26, and I had already discovered this.

I decoded it is how I would say it. And so I realized that all the thoughts I was having, which is, why am I going? It never works. You know, he’s unhappy with me. I could be with my friends who love me. Why am I going to my dad’s again? I thought, I’m closed. You know, he doesn’t even like me, right? And I was closed. And I thought, that means what I’m thinking isn’t true. But I had a lot of evidence.

A lot of fights, a lot of hurt times, a lot of things he said, a lot of things he did, not showing up, all of that. So I had a lot of evidence, but yet I was closed, which means what I’m thinking is not true. And what I figured out was the thought that opened me was, he gets along with my brother, and I opened. So that’s true. It’s like, well, what’s the difference between me and my brother? I’m a girl, and I opened. And what opened me huge was my dad didn’t know how to be a dad to a girl. All of a sudden, all the evidence that I had collected in my entire life about our relationship felt like dominoes being knocked over. Well, you know, I saw them differently.

I saw it as a man trying and failing over and over and over again, and me not being able to see him trying. So when I got to his house, I had this conversation, and I said, I’m going to teach you how. I’m going to teach you how to be a great dad to a girl. I’m going to give you a list of presents. Instead of just being mad when you don’t get me what I like, I’m going to tell you why something hurts my feelings. Not from being upset, but sharing with you how to say it better. And over the course of the Next three or four years we actually fixed everything. We get so locked into what we believe.

But this works. So it’s worth it because it works.

Linda Lang:
That’s an amazing example that you’ve given, Zen. And it can really highlight for people how it can shift things that they have such a rigid outlook towards. Usually when we have that heavy feeling, it’s because either we’re wrong or someone else is wrong. And this means something totally different.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
The heaviness means something totally different. And that’s what’s beautiful. I remember when I was in business and I had to raise my prices. It was just time. And there was a part of me I had a thought that nobody would continue to purchase from me, coach with me, do things, and I was closed. And when I went in to research, you know, do the little internal work to find out what my price was, the price that opened me was way bigger than I thought I had value of. And the first time I went and I told someone what my coaching session prices were at that new price, it was a, it was like, it was a no brainer. They were like, okay.

There’s so many places in our lives that we do not realize we’re holding ourselves back out of fear. And in that fear experience that tight feeling, we think we’re right. We think that that fear means that what we’re thinking is true. So we’ve got to stay away from that person or we can’t spend the money. I know so many people who are wealthy that won’t spend the money because they’re afraid of losing the money. And they’re not having a good time. They’re miserable in their grinchiness. And that’s just one example.

Or someone who feels bad about their debt, but their debt is what they use to build their business or get their kids into college. And they’re running around with all this awful guilt about having debt and it’s not true. The things that they invested in were important and perfect and it’s the right use of the debt. I could go on and on about examples that are just profound. I’ll give you another one. I love this one. This is one of my favorites. This woman had medical problem and she had gotten two years behind on her property taxes.

And she went to pay the property taxes and it was going to wipe out her savings and they were sending her letters. I mean the whole thing was, it was really stressful. So she went to pay the property taxes online and she was closed. So she gets on a coaching session. I have group coaching sessions. Where people get to work with me. And she’s like, I’m closed at paying the property taxes. What does that mean? I’m like, I don’t know.

But don’t pay them because if you push through a closing, things don’t work out. About two weeks later, she was in the bank standing in line, and the banker comes up and says, hey, do you own your home? If you ever thought about refinancing it? She goes, no, I haven’t. They sat down, go through the whole application, get to the part with the taxes. He says, oh, I see you have two years of back property taxes. She gets embarrassed. She goes, yeah, I do. He says, do you want me to roll them into the loan? She got them rolled into the loan. She got a lower interest rate.

Her mortgage went down $700, which is amazing. Property tax is gone. Savings solved. Has more money in the bank. That would have still happened, but she would have wiped out her savings at that point. There’s a way in which we’re always being protected and we’re being moved into alignment if we let it. Just like nature. Everything functions in nature perfectly and beautifully.

The ecosystem out there is all operating in flow. Well, we as humans, it’s time for us to drop back into that ecosystem. And it’s flow, this opening, expansion feeling that keeps our life in alignment and working. And when we’re in resistance, we’re pushing into a place where we’re being told, this isn’t the direction to go in, it’s out of alignment and it’s not going to work. And that’s about as simple as I can make it. If we learn to do this, the solutions to correct the problems on this planet will come to fruition.

Linda Lang:
And if we continue to resist and push what we think is the way, we’re just going to run into more trouble.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
It’s getting worse and worse and worse for that reason. And we’re seeing it everywhere. Once you know this exists, you see people out there in the world from their closings, fighting, arguing, being hateful, fearful, terrified, all of these things. Frustrated, irritated. You’ll see it. And the thing is, is they’ve got to change their mind. It actually was true. Like Einstein said, we need a different thinking to solve the problem than we’re actually doing.

And we’re not having different thinking because we don’t know how. And that’s what this tool does, is it teaches us how to have brand new thinking and then we can feel physically when we hit the right spot.

Linda Lang:
How do we use this skill? To finally wake up.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Well, it’s really, you know, so funny. This guy asked the Dalai Lama once, you know, “How do we have world peace?” And he sat for a very long time in silence thinking about it. And then he looked up and he said, “I don’t know. But I do know it’s an inside job.” What that means is it’s in the little moments where the socks are on the floor again, and your master bedroom that you just cleaned and you want to wring your husband’s neck or the breadcrumbs all over from making toast after you’ve just cleaned the kitchen. That moment of lack of peace, of frustration, of anger, of upset. It’s in fixing those little moments that we actually transform our minds. And it’s in transforming our minds that we fix the world.

And so how we use it is when we see somebody that we, you know, think is wrong or other or not part of who we are, we don’t want to be around. Or when we see a situation and we feel that tightness, the key is to find the opening and to release it. Because it’s in that that we actually create a vibrational frequency. And I’m not woo woo. They’ve proven it. They’ve measured our physical body. Our energy radiates around us in a full 360 degree circle, like 7ft.

So in that shift from that aggravation to that peace, we actually do affect the world around us. Opening begets open. So how we use it is. I teach this stuff for corporations and companies and businesses in negotiations, in figuring out what product to develop, what solution to find. We do it with marriages where couples get together and they find out what opens them together. They’re coming back into alignment in their marriages. Parents being really difficult situations with teenagers. They drop into the closing that they’re feeling about their teenager, rewire it to find the opening so it could look like they’re ruining their lives.

They’re screwing everything up they’re not paying attention to. They’ll find their way. I can trust my kid. They’re working it out. Mom. Her son came home. He was having a big problem with his math teacher. They’re fighting in class. But when she checked in, it wasn’t hers to do. It wasn’t any of her business. It was her son’s to solve. She said, it was so hard. I just wanted to go down there and wring that teacher’s neck. How dare he pick on my kid. But instead, I got to coach my kid on what to say and how to fix it and his son went into the classroom and had the conversation that needed to be had. Well, that’s what opened her.

Her closing would have created more closing in her kid’s life. Well, we’re doing this to our teenagers all the time. We’re coming at them with a closing as they’re trying to become an adult. And they feel it and they close right back up and they fight us with their own closing. So how we’ve changed the world is by starting inside first and coming into it with an opening. Because opening begets opening, and you’ll find the solutions. Everyone out there is so wise. They’re so connected to a divine presence.

I get teary eyed thinking of the solutions that my students have found to the most difficult problems we face. That coworker that’s making your life miserable, you love your job, but you hate the coworker. They fix it. I just had a woman three weeks ago. She came to me and she was going to divorce her husband. There was like no other option. And she fixed it in about a week and a half. She got rid of all of her garbage about him and realized he’s amazing.  They’re no longer getting a divorce. It’s that fast.

Linda Lang:
All the answers we seek are within, right?

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yes, they really are. And you can feel it. You can feel it. That’s what’s wonderful. You’re not just guessing and grasping at thoughts and was it this or is it that? Or do I need to. Do you know all of that? You stop, you can actually get there. It’s like playing the hot, cold game, except with your own mind. You have a goal that you want to go to that opens.

And then how you get there is breadcrumb by breadcrumb, thought by thought, opening by opening to the actual how to get there.

Linda Lang:
So the reprogramming or the rewiring, once people understand that they’ve had a closing, when they connect with that feeling, they understand they had a thought that was not true. So then would they kind of shift that thought into maybe the opposite? Or they have to do a little investigative work to find exactly what opens them, right?

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yes. Then you go into investigation. And that’s the part where the training comes in. The opposite will work for a part of the time. But here’s the thing. We are coming at our problems as if we think that we have a solution and our mind is black and white. It’s time to move. You’re in New York.

Am I going to move to Brooklyn or am I going to move to New Jersey? But actually, your life’s purpose and path is in London. So if you’re trying to make a decision between Jersey and Brooklyn, and you’re supposed to be in London, you’re off path. So you won’t get an opening. You’ll get a neutral about those two places and feel confused. There’s a thing called flow which literally will lead you to breadcrumbs. I had a client, he was an attorney. He wanted to get married and buy a house and have the 2.5 kids and all of that, but he wasn’t excited and wasn’t open. It was just, he’s in his 30s and it was time to get married.

That’s what everybody was telling him, but he wasn’t excited. Our desires that open us is the way that we are led in life. So what ended up happening is we coach and coach and coach, and nothing’s working because that’s not what he really wants. But I can’t figure out what he really wants because he’s like, “No, I have to. This is it. That’s my life.” He comes back from an art festival in Sausalito, one of those art walks, and just happens to have my coaching session right after. He’s so excited by all the art, and he tells me that he’s always wanted to be an artist.

And I’m like, “Well, why aren’t you an artist?” And he’s like, “Because I’m an attorney. My dad’s an attorney and a judge. I’m gonna end up being a judge. His dad was a judge, my grandfather.” And I was like, “Well, at least take an art class.” He goes to this art class. They end up doing this field trip to Paris to paint, you know, he goes to Paris, he instantly falls in love, comes back, quits his law degree and moves to Paris. That’s where his bride was.

That’s where his life was. But he was stuck in this false stuff. We do this to ourselves all the time. And it was so funny because he told his dad and he said, “You know what? My dad was mad.” And then he called me back a couple weeks later, and he goes, “You know what, son? I always wanted to work with wood. I wanted to build furniture.” He opened up his dad’s beingness, too. And so the hard part is, is that we get shoved into these boxes as beings, and then we wonder why we’re depressed and hurt and upset and our lives don’t feel good.

This will bring you back into alignment with what you’re here to really be a part of and what you’re really here to do so. I do these hints because, like, you’re frustrated. Frustration is always closing. And what frustration? The hint for it is you are looking at a situation that your mind doesn’t believe can or will ever change. So you’re in your business and it’s not working and you’re frustrated. Well, the frustration is a sign, it’s guidance that it will change, that it can change. So you’re looking for, what is it that I don’t believe will change? And then it’s like, how do I want it to change? If I could have it any way, what is my desire? What is it that I really want to have happen? I was trying to run my business like everybody. They want high ticket everything, high ticket coaching clients.

But what brings me joy is selling products and courses that people can afford. I would rather have thousands, thousands and thousands of people changed. I want everyone to have this. They were born with it. They need to know how to use it. And not everybody can afford a $15,000 program.

Linda Lang:
That will help people not only on their own path, but to make better choices for the collective.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yeah, this is going to get us out of where we’re at. That’s my vision. My vision is there’s physical fear, which is tiger fear. There’s mental fear. Mental fear is everything we’re talking about. The thing that wakes you up at 3 o’ clock in the morning. The thing when you’re driving your car and you go, “ohhh” about something that just crossed your mind, which means, by the way, if you do that.

I left my passport at home. You didn’t. You’ve got it, it’s in your bag. It’s okay, that’s a closing. But the thing is, is that I think we can evolve as a species completely out of mental fear. I think we can get to a place where we don’t experience it anymore. And that’s my goal for humanity. I want to get to a place where there’s a teacher.

They’re talking about this era of humanity a thousand years from now. And about how it almost killed us, how mental fear almost destroyed our entire world and our species. But we conquered it and we cleared it out. And the little girl says, what does mental fear feel like? And the teacher goes, we don’t know. We’ve never felt it. We’ve never been anxious, we’ve never been fearful. We’ve never been overwhelmed. That’s my dream.

Linda Lang:
So where can we send people who would like to learn more about your system?

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Well, there’s a game I call it the Recreating You game because that’s what you do when you’re playing with going from closings to openings. It’s very affordable. It’s a five day experience, super simple and easy to do. And I put you through five exercises to get you using your internal guidance system. And then if you want to see other courses that I have, all affordable, go to fearfreehuman.com and that’s where you’ll find me.

Linda Lang:
Wonderful, Wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us again today.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
So happy to be here, Linda. It’s always a pleasure. You’re so peaceful to be around. I’m like, oh, I feel like, like I just had a wonderful spa.

Linda Lang:
That’s probably because you just opened.

Zen Cryar DeBrucke:
Yes. Thank you so much for having me.

Linda Lang:
You are most welcome. And thank you for listening to this week’s edition of Exploring the mystical side of Life. You will find all of our convers on YouTube and your favorite podcast platform. Come visit me@thoughtchange.com pick up your copy of Learning to Listen and we will see you again next time. Bye for now.