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Pendulums for Transformation, Healing, Clearing, and Soul Growth

Step into the transformative realm of Pendulum Alchemy and soul healing with Marina Beech, also known as the Soul Alchemist, on this enlightening episode of Exploring the Mystical Side of Life with Linda Lang.

Discover how this unique approach to pendulums goes far beyond simple yes/no answers, offering deep energetic activations and real shifts at the quantum level. Marina Beech shares her personal journey from a 30-year corporate career to spiritual mentorship, catalyzed by a life-changing healing experience that shifted a deep-seated addiction in just seconds—with the power of a pendulum and the Akashic Records.

 

Here are three key takeaways you won’t want to miss:

🔹 Pendulum as a Healing Tool: Learn the difference between pendulum dowsing and Pendulum Alchemy, where specific movements and intentional words activate healing and transformation at your energetic core.

🔹 Choosing Your Pendulum: Understand why healing pendulums, crafted to reflect certain frequencies of light, are recommended over crystals for energetic work. Discover how the color and material of your pendulum can amplify intentions and create powerful results.

🔹 Experiencing Group Healing: Marina Beech guides listeners through a gorgeous, multi-layered healing meditation, helping you release blocks and infusing you with confidence, courage, and spiritual clarity—demonstrating the accessible magic of working with pendulums.

PLUS: Marina reveals how her own oracle cards act as portals for Akashic healing, and encourages everyone, even those who “don’t feel energy,” to trust their path and find intuitive tools that work for them.

Ready to transform your energy field and open up to soul alchemy? Tune in for a journey of healing, guidance, and inspiration with Marina Beech, and discover the magic waiting in your hands.

Transcript:

 

Marina Beech:
And that’s the thing with pendulum dowsing, when you’re asking for yes / no answers. It’s one of those modalities that can be heavily influenced by our subconscious and by our ego. So there is a lot of doubt and insecurity that comes with this as an actual modality. But Pendulum Alchemy is where we’re activating healing. So it’s a very different usage of the pendulum. But we are creating an activation on the quantum field. We are increasing the probability of the outcome. So that’s very different to dowsing.

Announcer: Welcome to Exploring the Mystical Side of Life with your host, Linda Lang.

Linda Lang:
Hi, this is Linda Lang from ThoughtChange.com we are Exploring the Mystical Side of Life once again this week. If you enjoy our conversations, remember to subscribe Share with a friend. We have Marina, the Soul Alchemist, with us and we are talking pendulums. Welcome Marina.

Marina Beech:
Thank you, Linda. It’s wonderful to be here.

Linda Lang:
I’ve come across you in some Facebook groups and done some of your events. They’re always incredibly fun and huge shifts in energy. So I’m excited to see how we can take the energy of a pendulum to heal, clear, receive insight. Tell me, how did you get started on this path?

Marina Beech:
Well, I have always been interested, in my teens, in the alternative, the occult, whatever you want to call it, the unexplained. So I always had that interest in ghosts and Ouija boards and tarot. But I didn’t really get my first deck of tarot until I was in my late teens. And then I got my first pendulum. Actually, I think I was 20 when I got my first pendulum for dowsing, not for anything else. And I dabbled, did a little bit dabbling, very much used my tarot cards, but not in a very intuitive way. It was always kind of reading from the book whilst I was in my corporate career. I had a corporate career for 30 years and then I went through a series of redundancies, and I got to that proverbial crossroads of “Okay, if I’m not here to get back into that position,” and my niche because I had quite a niche job, “What am I here to do?” So I went on this kind of little 18 month search of following different mentors and teachers, picking up my tarot cards again and picking up the pendulum.

Actually there was a few pendulum mentors, teachers that kind of crossed my path via Facebook and really kind of got interested in learning much more about the science of it, I suppose, the healing aspects of pendulums, using commands and, you know, using your voice and calling in guides. There’s, there’s just so many different things that you can do. So many elements to Pendulum Alchemy. So that was where I kind of re-picked up this, this spiritual interest. And it was really to help me gain direction again. I think to also come back to myself because I’ve obviously given a lot of time to a career for 30 years. And part of my healing journey and the discovery of the Akashic Records, which is my other love, was actually a lady that cleared a psychological addiction to alcohol. And I’d never heard of the Akashic Records at this point. She was doing this on Facebook in a, in a Facebook group kind of live.

I’d given her my details, and she revealed that I got a program, a master program in my subconscious of alcoholism. She could find it in the Akashic Records, and she actually cleared that in 10 seconds with a pendulum. And I could feel the switch, the psychological addiction switch go off. And I’d not revealed to anybody, my husband or family, that I was actually really struggling to turn this voice off, to turn that pattern off. And that disappeared in 10 seconds. And that was actually eight years ago, in June 2025. So that really re-engaged my love for the pendulum, but also it helped me discover the Akashic Records. So that, that gave me my purpose and mission all rolled up in like a couple of minutes. I kind of received all of that. So that was amazing. That was in 2017.

Linda Lang:
You gave me ice cold goosebumps, Marina, when you said you could feel that shift immediately inside you. How beautiful and how magical to have that experience. So that’s the baseline where you can create your offerings from, because you’ve had it.

Marina Beech:
Absolutely. And when I reflect on that, I realize that my ego really needed something big and spectacular to go all in, you know, on this type of work. Because, you know, I’m not an energy healer. I kind of dabbled in Reiki because I thought, “Well, this is where I’ll start.” And that really didn’t kind of sit with me. And yeah, it was just proof, really, that this stuff actually worked. And you can have these potent breakthroughs when you’re struggling. You really can.

Linda Lang:
Now, a lot of people think about the pendulum to receive guidance or answers, like yes or no answers, but you’re talking about a whole other spectrum of use for a pendulum.

Marina Beech:
That’s it. Yeah. And that’s the thing with pendulum dowsing, when you’re asking for yes/no answers, it’s is one of those modalities that can be heavily influenced by our subconscious and by our ego. So there is a lot of doubt and insecurity that comes with this as a natural modality. But pendulum alchemy is where we’re activating healing. So it’s a very different usage of the pendulum and that’s where our words are a little bit more important. A specific movement of the pendulum. The, which is easy to do, but we are creating a activation on the quantum field. We are increasing the probability of the outcome. So that’s very different to dowsing and it’s very powerful. It’s a very powerful modality that anybody can do.

Linda Lang:
And with regards to the actual pendulum, anything you would recommend staying away from or going towards?

Marina Beech:
If you’re going to invest in looking at Pendulum Alchemy as a healing modality, then I would recommend getting a very good basic pendulum to do that work. A dowsing pendulum where you’re using charts to get information or to get your yes and no answers, you can basically pick up, you know, anything really. But if you are doing healing where you’re releasing blocks, you’re creating change in the quantum field of the Akashic Records, then there are a couple of really good pendulum websites, and you’re really looking for a healing pendulum and what a healing pendulum is… And I’ve got, got a big pendulum collection. So this is the grand Akashic pendulum.

So, the way that it’s been shaped, and the surface of it, it actually reflects light into the quantum field. So what you find is if you get a good pendulum to do the Alchemy, you’re actually layering the magic that you’re activating. Because you’re using your words, which is powerful in itself. As we know we’re putting out energy in that way. We are creating a spin, which is a vortex of energy that’s going out into the quantum. And the vortex of energy, the pendulum, when it spins, spins…. it’s very similar to the power that happens, you know, when people gather together and they get into a church and there’s the spire that’s like the, the transmitter that, you know, is transmitting that energy up into the Universe. A pendulum spin is very similar to that. It creates this vortex of energy that’s transmitting up into the Universe.

So, you’ve got that as your second layer. And then if you’ve got a really good pendulum, that then naturally activates. This is like a winter gray energy or silver energy that it reflects back into the quantum. Then it’s doing a third piece for you. So it’s good to look at healing pendulums and just see what light that they give off. If you’re looking at a green, a green light, then that’s optimizing growth. It’s like the summer energy. If it’s gray or silver, it’s more like winter, and it’s bringing endings to things. You can get orange. You can get an orange pendulum that would be, you know, connected to the sacral chakra. So it’s about creativity and passion and growth. There’s different, there’s different energies that you can get with pendulums. And the person that is selling the pendulum will obviously list that pendulum with whatever kind of colored light it would give off in the quantum.

Linda Lang:
Fascinating. A lot of people will use a crystal, let’s say.

Marina Beech:
Yeah, don’t use a crystal.

Linda Lang:
I was curious, because that crystal has energy on its own.

Marina Beech:
Yeah. So crystal pendulums… I’m quite curious to see how many people, you know, the cheaper pendulums and so many, like, spiritual fairs, you know, they’re all selling these crystal pendulums. And crystal pendulums are okay for dowsing, you know, but you could pick up a key on a piece of string or anything, you know, to do the dowsing. But when you come to do healing, as you’ve rightly said, crystal holds its own energy. If you are releasing or you’re using a crystal over somebody physically, or even if you’re doing it online or distance, the crystal can absorb that energy.

And then we’re still, if that crystal is on a metal chain, which quite often they seem to be, rather than a cord, then that can go into your palm chakra. And you’re, you’re then taking on that energy that you’re actually trying to release back to Divine Source Light. So. And crystal also is quartz. Crystal in particular is quite harsh. It gives off quite a harsh energy, from a pendulum perspective, in the spin. And it’s a little bit like in the auric field. It can be quite stabbing, quite slashing, in terms of energy. So it’s not, it’s not the gentlest of crystals to use.

Linda Lang:
Good advice. Thank you. Now, I’m wondering if you would be open to doing a healing for our listeners. It can serve, first of all to help shift the energy for everyone, but also show us the magic that pendulum healing can facilitate.

Marina Beech:
Absolutely. So I’ll get a couple of pendulums out so we’re putting some different energies in. Okay, so just with any type of healing, but in particular with pendulum, because pendulum is so accessible. When we clear energy from, from our multidimensional being, from our Akashic field, whatever it might be, as we know, it leaves a void space. And that void space can get filled very quickly. So we always put in high vibrational frequencies, maybe like a success anchor, I call them, or maybe a new intention. So we’re putting something else into the void. So what I will do is I will do a clearing, but then I will also just then install some success anchors of some kind.

So I’ll just invite your listeners and yourself to just make sure you’ve got your feet planted on the ground, legs uncrossed. So we’ve got this nice positioning and feeling your soles of your feet on the ground. Whether that’s barefoot or otherwise. We just make sure you’ve got your feet on the ground. And then if you’d like to just place your hands, the backs of the hands on the tops of your thighs. So you’re placing your body now in a very receptive state, and you’re open. Your body elemental knows that you’re now open to receive.

Your guides, your higher self knows that you’re now ready to receive. And if you feel like you would like to close your eyes, then I invite you to do that so you can really kind of settle into the space, maybe go within, drop into the heart space. And then what I’d like you to do is take a big deep breath in. And as you take that big deep breath in, we’re just going to call back all of our energy, first of all, from across time and space, people and events. And on the out breath, just allow yourself to settle into this space. Allow yourself to be present, listening to my voice, giving yourself permission to receive. And then just start to imagine thick, strong silver roots coming from the soles of your feet. And we just want to anchor those down into the heart of Mother Earth.

So imagine the silver roots just traveling down through the soil, down towards the hearts of Mother Earth. And then eventually your silver roots will find a large crystal. Just wrap your roots around this large crystal and whatever the energies are, the type of crystal, the color, that crystalline energy will just start to transfer into your silver roots. And your silver roots will start to drink that back up into your feet. And that energy will move up through your body, through the chakras, the meridians, the nadis. Just bring in the physical body, the mental, emotional, spiritual bodies to a real beautiful place of presence. And then I want you to think about perhaps a challenge in your life, something that you would like to release the energies of. Now, this could be a memory.

This could be something that you are experiencing at the moment, something that you can’t maybe get clarity on that you can’t seem to move past. It could be a repeat pattern of some kind. Just bring that into your mind, just that you’ve got a slight consciousness, a slight awareness of that. And then I’m just gonna start to spin the pendulum and we’re spinning anti-clockwise because that is the usual movement to release. And I’m going to activate this healing now for the highest good of all concerned, for the highest good of your health, mental, emotional and spiritual well being. Asking for this healing to be released from your multidimensional being, from your Akashic Records, all conscious levels throughout your whole body system, throughout time and space. Doing this for the highest good of all concerned. So we’re now going to connect to whatever this challenge is, whatever the energy is, the thought is, the feeling. I’m getting the energy of resentment.

There may be some guilt and shame coming in here as well. But whatever the emotion is that you can connect with that, the frustration, the tiredness, which may be creating lack of confidence, lack of self belief, lack of trust in yourself, trust in others, trust in the Universe. We want to connect to all root causes, please, of whatever is creating limitation, creating blockage, connecting to all root causes throughout the Akashic Records, throughout our multidimensional being, all timelines, lifetimes, universes, dimensions and beyond. And to the highest good of all concerned.

I want to also bring in the ancestors, the maternal and paternal lineage, back to the beginning of time. If they choose to step in, they will now step into your space, also connecting with the ancestral lineage. So any souls that want to step forward into this healing space, into this healing circle, will now step closer to your physical body, with their permission and with love. So connecting to all root causes of limiting beliefs, illusions, cycles, patterns, lower vibrational emotions, wounds, trauma, all negative agreements, hooks, cords, lower astral energy, entity gray field spirits. Anything that’s not for our highest good health, mental, emotional, spiritual wellbeing is upholding the energy of this challenge, this blockage, this limitation that we are ready to release.

We are releasing this now back to Divine Source Light. If you can just imagine now that there’s a beautiful strong golden pillar of light, that portal above your head, shining its pillar of light above you and all the way around you. This is Divine Source Energy, Divine Source Light, Christ-conscious Light now come in. And anything that is ready to be released out of your physical body, mental, emotional, spiritual bodies, your auric field is now being released. This may be what I’m seeing is like these are like almost like butterflies just now being like flying away from your body. They’re ready to be transformed into this golden light.

Allow yourself to receive this golden light, this beautiful energetic healing direct from Source as we release with the pendulum anything that’s not serving and supporting you now ensuring that all knowledge and wisdom is kept intact in the Akashic records. But we are releasing the energetic hold, the influence, the memories, the trauma, whatever it may be, is now being released. And this beautiful Divine Source Light brings in the frequency of unconditional love. Allow yourself to receive unconditional love, knowing you are worthy of receiving unconditional love, knowing that you are enough to receive unconditional love, that you are loved. So I’m just letting the pendulum spin as this is activating for every individual person here that has said yes, that wishes to receive, any ancestor that has chosen to also step into the healing circle to receive is also receiving this beautiful healing blessing. This direct healing from Source activated with the pendulum, knowing that our guides are holding the space safely and securely, lovingly, for of our highest good.

So I’m just letting the pendulum spin. There’s a lot to clear here, lot to release. Just notice if you’re feeling any shifts within your body, if anything’s feeling lighter, perhaps you’re having memories come up or images, words. This is all perfect. Just allow whatever needs to come through to be released into the light. Allow yourself to receive that beautiful golden glow, that warmth that all around you, feeling the energy on your skin, knowing that all of your chakras are open and that energy is moving through the spine, through the top of the head, activating all the codes, all of the atoms within your physical body, your energetic DNA. Just letting the pendulum continue into spin until it’s completed. And then we just now activate in as the pendulum now turns to clockwise position.

We’re just also just asking now for any void spaces to receive the Divine Conscious Source Light, the coding. Also receiving new inspiration, new motivation. The energies and frequencies of confidence and courage, self-belief, worth and value. Allowing these frequencies, allowing these words, the energy of these words to go wherever they need to go in the mental, physical, spiritual, emotional bodies. Asking for the body elemental to take on this activation. Also supporting us with being able to embody confidence, belief, courage, motivation. Asking for these frequencies to also be installed in our present lifetime book or Akashic Records so that we can connect in with these frequencies easily and effortlessly whenever we feel that we need that boost, we need that clarity, we need that support, knowing that these frequencies have been firmly anchored into our Akashic Records, into our multi-dimensional being.

And then that golden portal of light starts to close above your head. Your ancestors start to step back and we give thanks to all of our guides, to our higher selves, all aspects of our being, to our ancestors, Divine Source Light sending gratitude and thanks. And then when you’re ready, you can start to just bring yourself slowly back round. You may want to rub your feet on the floor, rub your hands on your thighs, just so that you can bring yourself back into the body. And just make sure that you drink lots of water over the next 24 hours because that healing will continue. But your higher self and guides will manage the integration. But flushing your physical body of those non-beneficial energies will just help the clearing. Also, if you want to release the energy through your feet quickly, then have a 20 minute foot salt bath. Place your feet in the bucket of water or the basin of water and then once you’ve done your 20 minutes, then you can just tip the water away down the sink, down the plug hole, wherever, with love. Just knowing that those energies have been drawn out of the feet as well out of the body.

Linda Lang:
What a beautiful healing. Marina. I have to say that it was so interesting for me because when we were connecting with what we were releasing, but before we did the release, I started to get a pain in my left eye and it left in the release. It was really interesting.

Marina Beech:
Amazing. I’m pleased.

Linda Lang:
Totally. I’m pleased too. So thank you very much. Thank you. It’s a fascinating way to use a pendulum. Absolutely. And I know you also work with tarot. You’ve mentioned tarot. Do you use the pendulum along with the tarot?

Marina Beech:
Yeah, yeah. So usually if I do, if I do a card session, then the structure of my session, one of those cards at least will hold karmic blocks because I do the session with the Akashic Records open. So I will then use a chart with the pendulum to see. Usually I’ve intuited already and the pendulum confirms it for me. But I’ll then either speak that out and just get it confirmed or I’ll use my chart that’s got loads of blocks on it, just to kind of check in. So I’ll use that with the oracle. I used to use tarot, but I use oracle now. So yeah, you can use the pendulum just to see which cards you need to work more deeply with. Yeah, there’s lots of things you can do with a pendulum and cards. It’s really cool.

Linda Lang:
And you’ve created your own deck.

Marina Beech:
I have, yes, which have become something else. Far more than what I anticipated. But I think that’s probably, probably the way that it was meant to be. Because if I kind of really knew, and I think I’m still learning what they are, I probably wouldn’t have said yes. As you know, we were never given the whole picture or the whole jigsaw, are we?

Linda Lang:
So for a good reason, we’d turn and run the other way.

Marina Beech:
Exactly.

Linda Lang:
Let’s delve into your cards, because they are beautiful cards and I do find them, I do find that they hold quite a bit of energetics.

Marina Beech:
Yes, they are a powerful portal for healing. So, interestingly enough, now we’ve got the Akashic Record card on the bottom of the deck. So that’s cool. Yeah, so this is the thing that I’ve started to discover. And because I can’t feel energy, it’s only hearing other people receiving the deck and there’s like, “Oh, my god.” You know, “The energy pops as soon as you open up the box,” and, like, does it? Okay. This is, but this is why I use a pendulum, because it’s a very physical tool, and I can see. Because my, my “clair” gift is, is knowing, it’s cognizance. So I have no proof of anything really, other than I’ve just got to fully trust, you know, And I have clairaudience that’s comes, like, really developed because of the pendulum, which is brilliant. So it’s only when people have said, “I can feel the energy when I use them. I can feel the energy, obviously, when I receive them. I’ve been starting to leave the cards out by my bed because this is the card that I feel drawn to.

And I can feel the portal within the card and the shifts are happening. The energy, the trigger or whatever it might be is being released.” And I’m like, really? Okay. So I’ve kind of gone on this journey of working with the cards in this way, and I launched my certification last year and I got, you know, more and more evidence that this is how people were using the cards. So this was like, okay, well, this is the practice that we’re going to start to do. We’re going to start leaving the card out for 24 hours to see what gets released, or longer if you feel that you need to do that. So people are using percentages charts to see how much things are moving. But a massive endorsement that I have is that one of the ladies that has the deck and has done the certification, she’s completely blind.

And so she reads the card, she uses the cards. But she said the energy within all of the cards, the portals, I mean, she can just totally feel it. She’s in there, she’s working in it. So it was kind of like, okay. So, and going deeper in to understand how an innate object can then become a portal. And I’ve done quite a lot of deep research around this to understand how that happens, which is really interesting.

Linda Lang:
I’m astounded that someone blind would actually even use cards. It’s incredible.

Marina Beech:
Yeah. And it’s something that, obviously, she always shied away from because she didn’t go blind until she was 30. But there was a draw to use these cards and it was the energy that called her. And because they were Akashic and she’d already done some Akashic trainings of mine anyway, and she, and she’s a massive fan of pendulum. So, yeah, she just kind of, I guess, went into it and she, you know, she’s doing paid readings and all sorts of stuff. So.

Linda Lang:
Do you actually have to use a pendulum to access the healing energy of the cards?

Marina Beech:
No, you don’t. Because you don’t even when you do Akashic record work. For me, it’s all about intention. So everything that we do in any kind of realm and facet of life, it’s about your intention, isn’t it? So if your intention is to activate healing and release something, then you’re activating that on the quantum field. Now, whether you true to believe that or trust, it is a different thing. But, you know, intention and then following up with maybe aligned action or, you know, that, that trust is the thing. But yeah, we’re literally kind of asking for safe any healing that needed, say, from the Akashic Records or anything about me.

So when I look at this card, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of messaging around being visible, you know, with your wisdom and knowledge. And, you know, the more visible that we can be and really own our power, you know… I’m really picking that up from the key… then it’s very attractive. We’re bringing in… You know, people are kind of seeking us out and they want to be in our energy, which is beautiful because we’re choosing to really step up and share our wisdom and mastery. But for somebody, they may be like, “Well, I don’t want to be visible. I feel like I’m going to get judged or criticized or whatever.”

So you could then ask for anything that’s connected with fear of visibility, persecution, wounds, witch wounds, whatever, ask for that, ask for that healing from the Akashic Records through the portal of this card to start to work in your energy, to start to release that. Connect to whatever those experiences are, whatever’s in your Akashic Records that can start to be released. So there’s a, there’s, you know, a general protocol that I would suggest you use. Everything for your highest good, but then just leave the card out where you’re working, where you’re sleeping, where you just, you know, playing, resting, whatever, and just let the card do its, do its thing.

And then, you know, if you wanted to be, you know, a bit more scientific about it, you could, you could get your pendulum and a chart and you could ask, you know, “To what percentage am I being influenced by the fear of visibility?” And you could get your percentage. And then after 24 hours you could come back to the card and say, “Right, okay, how much now am I being influenced by fear of visibility?” And ideally it’s gone down percentages, or it’s gone to zero. And that’s when you know you can just then put the card back in the deck. But yeah, they’ve all got portals, and connecting them with my guides, because every card holds a key and the keys are the portals. They’re part of the portals that are inside all of these cards. The key for me is my symbol. That’s what I’ve realized. That’s the portal that has been created in all of the cards.

Linda Lang:
Beautiful. You did say something very interesting and I think it’s something that could help a lot of people. You said you don’t feel energy. There are a lot of people who do feel energy, very energy sensitive, but there are people who don’t and that didn’t become a hindrance to you, or a blockage for you, to follow your path. So do you have any words of wisdom for anyone out there who’s feeling that spiritual pull, but they just can’t feel energy?

Marina Beech:
Yeah, absolutely. This is where the physical tools are really, like, beneficial. Even though actually I learned the Akashic Records, which is very esoteric realm. You can’t see it, but my way of using it is with a pendulum. You need to find your modality, your tool, your “magic wand,” whatever, to work with energy, to work with your “clair” gifts. And don’t feel inhibited or that it’s not fair or “I’m held back because I can’t feel energy.” Trust me, it is a, it’s a gift that you can’t feel energy. Because I think I wouldn’t be able to do the work that I do if I, if I was tapping into people’s energies all the time.

Oh, my god, no. I’d be on the floor, I think. And, you know, I’m not impacted by planetary energies. So one of my soul sisters says I’ve got the, I’ve got the hide or the skin of a rhino, because I’m just, like, blissfully unaware, just getting on with whatever I need to get on with. And, yeah, I would actually celebrate that because it just means you can… You find your thing, but it means you can get on and not be, not be floored all of the time, by all of the stuff that’s going on out in the collective.

Linda Lang:
So true. Marina, I love your magic. Where can we send people who want to know more?

Marina Beech:
Okay, so you can find me on social. So it’s @Marina, the Soul Alchemist. All social platforms: Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. So my YouTube channel is quite a popular space to go if you want to try any of my free Akashic healings and meditations. There’s more, more than a hundred on there. And I’m on LinkedIn, as well. And if you want to head over to my website, it’s marinabeech.co.uk.

Linda Lang:
Perfect. Thank you so much for being my guest.

Marina Beech:
You’re welcome. Thank you for having me, Linda.

Linda Lang:
And thank you for listening to this week’s edition of Exploring the Mystical side of Life. You will find all of our conversations on YouTube and your favorite podcast platform. Come visit me at ThoughtChange.com, pick up your copy of Learning to Listen, and we will see you again next time. Bye for now.

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